Intelligence Powered

Episode 81 • December 24, 2024 • 01:25:51
Intelligence Powered
Crossed Wires
Intelligence Powered

Dec 24 2024 | 01:25:51

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James Bilsbrough Jae Bloom

Show Notes

It's been a hectic few months here for the team, but on November 4th 2024 we sat down with Alex Lowe for coverage of Apple's end of October announcements for their new m4 powered Macs. Apologies this episode is so late in coming to you, but we hope you enjoy the Christmas Present!

We discuss how these style of announcements works better for content creators, the power of the new m4 chips, and the unbelievable size of the new Mac mini.

Apple Intelligence played a major role in all of the product announcements, so we discuss our thoughts on the utility of Apple's AI efforts. Of course, this was recorded before Apple Intelligence came to the UK in the latest iOS and macOS updates.

Have you picked up any of the new m4 based Macs, or maybe you have some views on Apple Intelligence? We'd love to hear from you, so please send us a note to podcast@crossedwires.net, or why not come join the discussion on our Discord server.

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Chapter Times

  1. 00:00:04: Introductions
  2. 00:04:23: Announcement Summary
  3. 00:06:23: 16 Gigs!
  4. 00:11:58: Bottom Charging
  5. 00:14:29: iMac
  6. 00:22:52: Mac mini
  7. 00:38:46: MacBook Pros
  8. 00:46:44: Bumping the Air & WiFi 7
  9. 00:57:31: Apple Intelligence
  10. 01:06:18: Pixelmator
  11. 01:12:03: The Value of macOS
  12. 01:18:20: Jae’s Mental Health Journey
  13. 01:21:15: Wrapping Up

Credits

Intro and outro theme: Ace of Clubs by RoccoW

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Crosswires, the technology variety show that brings you. To be fair, in the last couple of episodes, mostly Apple news, we are, we do have other content available and we've got some really great stuff in the pipeline. We've got some stuff on 3D printing, we've got some stuff on the artwork and developing a game as a, as a developer, which is really cool. And we've even got our wonderful friend Sonata has taken us through a whole. I'm not going to call it an episode. I'm going to call it a audio experience through the music of gaming. [00:00:47] Speaker B: It's actually really cool. And he helped me see something I didn't know about. And it's like you don't think about that before. Like it's quite impressive. And I got to say I'm very excited to get to that episode. And we did. Maybe you mentioned it and probably zoned out, but we have one with our friend Donnie who is doing. [00:01:05] Speaker A: I did just mention that one. That is. Okay, so look, folks, here we go. We are back with Dream Team for your Apple events. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Now I just realized the downside is Apple Intelligence could have told me what. You could have summarized what you just said and it failed me. Ah, it doesn't get British accents yet. [00:01:24] Speaker A: Well, we don't even get Apple and that's actually something we're going to talk about. We don't get Apple Intelligence until December. [00:01:30] Speaker B: I already have it. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Oh, well then save it for the later in the show. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:01:35] Speaker A: All right, all right. So I think Jay's very excited because there's a lot of good stuff going on in Jay's life at the moment and, and ours actually all together. So let me introduce the panel because that's really important. But I was gonna say this wasn't really an Apple event. It was a series of Apple announcements over a couple of days and then maybe, maybe a bonus one if we press release as well, which we'll see. But let me introduce my fantastic, of course, my fantastic, beautiful co host and fiance, Jay. How you doing, Jay? [00:02:10] Speaker B: I am doing good. I'm just visiting with my MagSafe pop socket. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Are you sponsored by MagSafe? Why is Apple giving you a MagSafe? [00:02:18] Speaker B: I mean, I'm using a MagSafe camera now. So like I, I'm using. I've got a Magsafe stand. My car is MagSafe. It's, it's MagSafe is so, so much nicer. [00:02:28] Speaker A: I hope you bought, I hope you bought your mum A magsafe card wallet. Because you used her card for everything. [00:02:34] Speaker B: No, it was my money. [00:02:35] Speaker A: No, it's fine. It's all good. I'm winding you up. Right? [00:02:38] Speaker B: Yeah. You know how to do that. And at least I can. At least I can hear you on better Internet because we. We got up to. We have to this Internet to a gig. [00:02:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but you're still not a gig down. You're only. Was it 40 at least everyone has. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Told me that they don't want me to be as down as I was before. So now I'm only down like 45Mbps. [00:03:00] Speaker A: That'd be your upstream darling. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Oh yeah, you're right. [00:03:04] Speaker C: Right. [00:03:05] Speaker A: Okay. Anyway. Anyway, someone's meds are working well today. Anyway, Alex, how are you doing? [00:03:15] Speaker C: Doing all right, thank you. Yeah, pretty good. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Of course. Alex Lowe from ME Interface, our go to guru for Apple events and Apple announcements and of course, anything networking. I think. Was it like two hours on Friday night being you were just chatting about networking and. [00:03:30] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much. [00:03:32] Speaker B: And I think that my unifi access point above me is actually. It's. Oh, it's saying Alex low UI chat. Alex Low UI chat. [00:03:41] Speaker A: If Alex has managed to get access points to promote his podcast, that'd be a whole new level of marketing. [00:03:46] Speaker C: That'd be awesome. Yeah. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, there you go. Oh, no, there you go. Alex, I've got an idea Merch idea for you and for like, for. Well, for UI chat. The ski. The shell shells for the. [00:03:58] Speaker C: I like that. Yeah, you can make custom branded. Yeah, that'd be awesome. [00:04:02] Speaker A: Do you know what I could you. I mean, because obviously they've got the. Do they still do shells for U6? I think they do. Don't they recovers. [00:04:11] Speaker C: Um, I think so. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I think so. 3D print. Okay. [00:04:19] Speaker C: But we print some stuff. Yeah, big idea. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Like it. All right. Anyway, let's talk about sort of a key thing here. Do we say three new pieces of Apple hardware, free updates. How do you want to. How do you want to describe this? [00:04:32] Speaker B: I think like the first one is it was about like the Apple Intelligence launch. So stuff to existing hardware and devices. [00:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:43] Speaker C: There's an update to exist. There wasn't. There was one brand new device and two face in the car world, facelifts. So like spec bumps. [00:04:51] Speaker A: That is true. And it was. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't really a new product. It was a redesign of. It was a new generation of a product. [00:05:00] Speaker C: That's true. [00:05:01] Speaker A: But you. We were talking. I think it was the other night, but I can't. I'm sure it might have been, but we were talking about how a lot of the Mac sites, a lot of tech journalists saying, actually we really like this one event. One device on one day, one device the next day. It's like we're going to start a week of, you know, announcements. [00:05:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the Apple Holy Week. [00:05:23] Speaker C: It's good. One of the guys, I can't remember his name from Macromis, he was, he mentioned, I think on Tuesday that to get written content out, it makes life a lot easier because you just got one thing to write about for them. For people in America, it's in the morning. So you write about in the morning and then you've got the whole entire day to sort of discover all the weird stuff that's happened, like the extra bits and pieces of bonus things with the, with the hardware. So I think you compare that to writing about WWDC or an iPhone event. It is chaos, especially for if you're on our time zone. It's like 6pm and then I remember back in the day when I used to write about Apple stuff more than I do now. I just get RSI after about three hours of just doing stuff. [00:06:01] Speaker A: So, yeah, that is a really good point. And it does mean it's also easy to. I mean, right from a production point, point of view of a podcast, when I'm doing my show notes, I can actually link to individual announcement videos as well because I'm on YouTube, which is really nice. So what we've done on YouTube is we've done the announcement and then we've done like the product trailer as well. [00:06:19] Speaker C: Oh, the ad. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the ad, which is really nice. So I mean, the first thing I want to. Want to talk about with these, all these products is something that I think is a. Is long past due. Every new Mac that you can buy right now starts at least 16 gigabytes of RAM. [00:06:39] Speaker B: That is true. [00:06:40] Speaker C: It's good, like you mentioned the other day, that even the m, even the M2 MacBook Air, which isn't even the current version, has been spec bumped, which I wouldn't have expected. And what's quite nice about this, it isn't just a RAM boost, it's a graphics boost as well because of how Unified memory works. So you get a lot of benefits and that probably has its tie into Apple and challenges. I'm not sure how, if that does. If that uses a GPU for processing, I'm not really sure, but you get a benefit. Yeah. It's about time so no it makes. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Sense and of course there'll be. I think Apple Intelligence use a lot of a neural engine but yeah it would make a perfect sense to use a GPU as well but I think it's good. Now one of our, one of our community made a really good point in just one of our brands posted in the cyber security channel which was a bit random but fair enough because our discord community crosswires.net forward/discord we've got little channels for everything they were saying I was really tempted by one of the new Mac Minis which we'll come to but the storage still starts at 250 gig and Apple storage prices on the upgrades are hefty I think, I think. [00:07:45] Speaker C: The difference is I think with that it's not just a SATA SSD or an nvme it's soldered onto the motherboard so they probably have to as a bill it's not excusable but like there's probably some reason why that those chips are probably quite high end. I don't know. [00:08:01] Speaker A: Yeah that's a very valid point actually. I mean jay what your M1 because you're still on an M1 mini at this point right? What did you go with SSD wise when you bought that? [00:08:14] Speaker B: I went with AN I think 250. 256 or trying to look at what I have on my info I went. [00:08:21] Speaker A: 512 on this one. What about you Alex on your. Because you've got two M machines haven't you? [00:08:25] Speaker C: I think the M1IMAC I've got. I think, I think one terabyte was the base on the imac. I'm not sure though. No. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Okay. No it can't. [00:08:34] Speaker C: No car been. No, I went for one terabyte because. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Right, okay 512 on this one. [00:08:40] Speaker A: Okay so. And I think that would. I'm going to be honest that for me would have been something I would have liked Apple to have done 512 as a baseline think in this day and age. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean well no depends take it this way. What about a lot of the things being cloud service? A lot of people are in the cloud nowadays and a lot of things are in the cloud and there are. There is a use case where people don't have to put everything on their. On their device now applications are huge but cloud based so I've got two. [00:09:15] Speaker C: Macs I use both of them very differently. My Mac is a video production machine I work all day on that and all the various stuff. So it's full of video files I'm about to edit and offload and stuff. But my MacBook is more of a. I treat it like a Chromebook. It's more. It's more of a remote machine and it's got nothing on it really. It's got icloud drive information that gets synced and deleted whenever it's that. But I went for two. If I. I think I went for a terabyte on it anyway to be safe. But I. There's like 80 gigs on it, so I use that very much like a cloud person would. [00:09:47] Speaker A: Gotcha. No, that makes sense. I think maybe. Maybe I'm just storage conscious because we. We fill up quite a lot of storage with assets for streams and stuff like that. [00:09:56] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:09:57] Speaker A: Yeah. You'd be amazed how much stuff actually. Well, I think it's just because we've got quite a lot of it, isn't it, Jay? We've got quite a lot of graphics files for. For the streams that we. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually had to move them into a. Under my SSD because it was taking up too much space on my main hard drive. [00:10:13] Speaker A: Oh, okay, that's interesting. But let's talk then about the. Because we've talked about SSD. You both make a really good point. 2.56Gig, if you're treating it like a browser computer. I mean, we've got a client, I think. Did we only get them at 256 gig? [00:10:31] Speaker B: I think we did. Because honestly they don't use that that much on that. On that computer. [00:10:35] Speaker A: That is very true. [00:10:36] Speaker C: But having said that, it has been a long time since I increased the base because when I ordered my first MacBook it was the 11 inch 2015. The base on that was 128 and I went up to 256 and 512 was the top. So it's been a long time since I've increased the base storage. So maybe one time they'll do it. Maybe one day they'll do it. [00:10:56] Speaker A: So could be in the next generation. But that said, I mean, 250 gig is still pretty reasonable. And especially if you're not installing the Pro apps, if you're not installing Final Cut and other things like that, then yeah, definitely. [00:11:07] Speaker B: One interesting thing I just thought about is things like gaming. They're trying to talk about gaming and yet they don't have a cloud gaming set up yet. So installing all those games would take up a lot of space on the 256. Unless. What if one of The Macs that they go the Apple TV route automatically archiving things you don't use, that would be interesting. [00:11:29] Speaker A: But I think at that point, and actually to combat that, when you think about how tiny external SSDs over USB C and Thunderbolt 4, Thunderbolt 5, as we'll come to, actually, it's not really a problem. You can get a really cheap USB C, which. Amazing. What, five or ten gigabits, just depending on the flavor you get. You can get an enclosure for an NVME SSD for about 20 pounds, maybe $30. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Speaking of, speaking of USB C, they've. They've invested USB accessories. The one I'm still very disappointed on Apple, you either like bottoms or you keep bringing out the mag. The magic mouse with the charging on the bottom of it. It's like. It's like you have to. Then. [00:12:21] Speaker A: Yeah, okay, okay. Can I say one thing to that? On the magic mouse. Okay. Where. Where else would you put the charging port? Because it's so thin. You'd have to either put it. So this is my. This is not a magic mouse, of course, but let's pretend this is. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Okay. Alex has a magic mouse. [00:12:40] Speaker A: Alex has a magic mouse. Okay, there we go. So on the side, even to the. [00:12:44] Speaker C: QVC sort of style stuff like. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Oh, there we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:12:47] Speaker B: This is yours, but we're calling 11855, crossfires 1-855. Okay. [00:12:56] Speaker A: So that's obviously on the bottom. You could. It would be in. Where would you put it? On the side. [00:13:02] Speaker B: Maybe the side or. [00:13:04] Speaker C: There's been a lot of arguments about this on Twitter this week. Last week. [00:13:08] Speaker A: But didn't you say it doesn't bother you? [00:13:10] Speaker C: I think we've mentioned this before on the podcast, but when it tells me it's dead, when it tells me it needs charging, that will last you about another day. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:17] Speaker C: So I just plug it in when I'm finished for the day. And I've never. I've never run out. And it lasts months in last months, to be fair, you just. I think you just have to be a little bit organized, which. [00:13:27] Speaker A: Which, to be fair, most creators aren't. To be fair. So, you know, exhibit A, exhibit A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Yes. Like literally. No, it's a very valid point. I think I said to you, Alex, the other day, it would be really cool if it be able to do like MagSafe charging on my mouse. [00:13:45] Speaker C: This is true. But then you've got to have some sort of weird pad, and that would. [00:13:49] Speaker A: Probably ruse a track It. Track it. Well, no, you can just put it on your existing mag. Yeah, fair point. Anyway. Oh, but it still means actually it doesn't solve a problem because you still wouldn't be able to use it. [00:14:00] Speaker C: No. [00:14:01] Speaker A: While you. While it was charging. So actually, moot point. It's great to see. I think we're nearly at a point where everything is USB C now. [00:14:09] Speaker C: The only thing that isn't is, is obviously the old phones they still sell. So the SE and the XR don't know they sell the XR anymore. No, that's going back way, way far. I don't know what they sell. [00:14:20] Speaker A: I think they sell the 13 still, don't they? Yeah. So the, yeah, the se and the 13 are still. Still lightning. All right, let's talk the first big product and this is a big product out of all them, the imac. Now I, I mean Alex, you've got one of these design imacs, right. You've got. [00:14:43] Speaker C: I got the M1 version. So what, this is the third version of this new shape design. Yeah. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Which is actually quite a relatively long time for Apple to keep an imac design. [00:14:54] Speaker C: No, so the, the original. It's not the original. The last version before this one was the, the one that I recall as being. They had like friction stir welding. So it was the one with a very small 5 millimeter edge. [00:15:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:06] Speaker C: Bowing out. So that was 2012 up until 2021. 2020 I think. 2021. One of the two. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Yeah. So you are right. Yeah. [00:15:17] Speaker C: But with this one they've, they've refreshed the colors which is quite nice. So it's almost like they've increased the contrast on some of the colors which is nice. [00:15:24] Speaker B: The purple one. [00:15:25] Speaker A: Oh, Jay's. Jay's itching to buy so. So it's a bit of a running joke, right. Jay's itching to buy one. You a don't need one. But Jay's not itching to buy one for herself. She's just waiting for a machine at one of our clients to die. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So I can be like, hey, purple, I'm back. [00:15:42] Speaker A: But except, except the business owner does not like purple. [00:15:47] Speaker B: It'd be blue. [00:15:48] Speaker A: It'd have to be gorgeous. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah. This is also gorgeous blue. [00:15:54] Speaker A: So they've kept the design the same. They've kept. Now, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Alex, this has some of the. Obviously it's now got the M4. So starting at 16 gig, it's got a improved 12 megapixel center stage camera. So they bumped the camera up on the imac and I think is it. It's not gone to thunderbolt five, has it? It's just thunderbolt four on my iMac. [00:16:18] Speaker C: It's pretty much the same to be honest. It just. It seems like it's just the M4 chip. There was some addition that you can run three displays at the same time. There was. [00:16:27] Speaker A: Oh, including the. The main one? [00:16:30] Speaker C: I think so. Yeah. But the thing that really makes me like the imac is I haven't found an affordable display that looks as good as that. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Oh. [00:16:40] Speaker C: Like I. It sort of blends in the background. But I'm always. I would just. That's one of the reasons why I got it because the display is so nice. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Was it 4.5k? [00:16:48] Speaker C: We're calling it 4.5k 24 inch. It doesn't get quite as bright as I'd like it to. So I don't know if the new ones are any brighter but that's one of the reasons why I like it. And it's so small like slim wise. So yeah, it's a nice little refresh. The camera, the colors, the USB C accessories and the ports are the same. But yeah. [00:17:07] Speaker A: And we noticed that on the previous gens some of the colors were only available in the upper configs. [00:17:14] Speaker C: I couldn't tell you what colors are only available in those configs but the very base one without Ethernet. Yeah. It was only some four colors or something along those lines. [00:17:22] Speaker A: So I don't think it was. I think it. I can't remember but I think it was very limited in my color choices. But you know, still got that really cool sort of magnetic power cord that goes down to. Because. Right. So when you've got that on your desk. Right. Obviously you've got stuff plugged into it but you know, in some. If you haven't got external peripherals and you're just using the wireless. Oh it's keyboard. Then one of the things I really like is that power brick holds the Ethernet. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Yep. [00:17:53] Speaker A: Now from a cabling point of view in a business that's got to be good. Right. Because most of your ethernet sockets are going to be floor level unless you've got you know like a, you know a desk switch mounted underneath like some people do. Yeah. [00:18:07] Speaker C: So it makes things easier for me because my desk, my imac's right up against the wall here. And then I. If I need to change ethernet cables out, which I do quite a lot for testing, I just have to get onto the desk and plug it in. So yeah. Makes sense. [00:18:20] Speaker A: No, I mean it's a great. The only. The only thing is, of course, if something were to. I guess one challenge without design is what happens if you accidentally break your ethernet port. Do you have to get. [00:18:30] Speaker C: And. [00:18:31] Speaker A: Which is unlikely. I know but. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Well, you just have to get a new power brick. [00:18:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:36] Speaker C: Which is easier than replacing the whole imac. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Which is very good point actually. That is valid. That is. Sorry. Yeah, you are quite right. Because that's what you would have had to do in the past. Okay. Yeah. [00:18:46] Speaker C: So when I used to work at my old job, there were some of the engineers we had. They obviously be installing people installing customers with Internet. The amount of times they'd input and out and pull out the ethernet port, it would break within a few months. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Wow. [00:18:57] Speaker C: Let's use adapt like USB adapters for it instead. So they. It's not very. It's not a very robust interface really. So. [00:19:05] Speaker A: No. And it's so easy. I've got cable stuck in adapters. And it's not like. [00:19:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:11] Speaker A: When you think how old RJ40. Sorry, registered Jack 45 is, you know. Anyway, so it's a great computer. They gave a really good example of where its use cases. Family computer. [00:19:22] Speaker C: Yes. Not. I'm not sure how common that is anymore, but it's a nice. It's a nice idea. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point. I don't think, you know. Well, maybe for younger families. Yeah. But. But also certainly, you know, maybe, you know, a couple in a small apartment. I mean, Jay and I probably could end up sharing at least one computer. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:47] Speaker B: And I like. Now it's got to be purple. [00:19:50] Speaker A: You want the purple, don't you? You just want the purple. You want purple. [00:19:53] Speaker B: I will say I like how it harkens back to the original IMAX because it really makes me. It brings back that feel because the white and aluminum ones were okay, but I like that these make it feel much more fun. [00:20:09] Speaker A: I. Yes, they have that because I was watching a video by our friend Sean from Action Retro about how the original G3 IMAX, the inner sort of support frame is like crumbling. But looking at those, I'm like, that's. Yeah, because remember the advertising there was hello, right. [00:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Did anyone else notice all through every single event, they. They started it off with hello again. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Hello. [00:20:38] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:20:38] Speaker A: Is it me you're looking for? [00:20:41] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:42] Speaker A: You had me at hello, which I was going to be the title for this episode. I think just hello is. Is simple enough. [00:20:48] Speaker C: We missed out one thing though. Oh yeah. The iMac NE1 has a option of a nano texture display. [00:20:54] Speaker B: Ah. [00:20:55] Speaker A: Oh, yes. So this is what started off. If I remember correctly, the nano texture started off on the Pro display. Xdr. [00:21:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And then moved down the line. But that just. It's basically a very fancy term. And I know it's more complicated for. For the matte screen, isn't it? It's. [00:21:12] Speaker C: Yeah, you can get it on the iPad Pro. You can get it on some of the stuff we'll talk about in a minute. But the imac. Yeah, it's interesting because it's a consumer device, but more than a Pro one. [00:21:23] Speaker A: But. [00:21:24] Speaker C: But as I said, I use mine. I use my M1 1 for video editing, so it's fine. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Well, I was gonna challenge you ever so slightly on that because you're right, but with the Apple silicon factor. [00:21:34] Speaker C: Yeah, they're very powerful. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Now, photo. Photo studios, right? Yeah, those on. On a desk for photographers. They are a great device. Yeah. But, yeah, obviously that adds more to the cost. What is it? So what's. And it's still a. Is it still. I think it's still 1299 for the base iMac now, isn't it? [00:21:53] Speaker C: Is this US pricing? [00:21:54] Speaker A: US pricing? [00:21:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Starts at 1299 with 16 gigabytes of. You have memory, which is. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Again, everything's so bad. What's the UK price? Can someone just double check me? I'm relying on Alex to do that rather than. [00:22:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I've got it open. So it says 12.99. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:22:11] Speaker C: Yes. It's always the same because it was vat. Yeah. We end up paying more, actually. We do. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Even with vat, we do pay a little bit more. Yeah, it's a little bit frustrating, but, hey, it's okay. [00:22:21] Speaker C: So with the M1 version, it maxed out at 16. I think it maxes out at 32 now. [00:22:27] Speaker A: It does, yeah. [00:22:27] Speaker C: Which is good because there are some times where I get near 16 gigs of memory and I've got a lot of video products, projects open, lots of tabs, slack, all the various things. [00:22:36] Speaker A: So, yeah, there's your problem. You're running slack. I mean, slack by itself. Electron. Yeah. [00:22:43] Speaker C: That's quite a heavy app. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Oh, really? Well, anything electron is incredibly heavy, unfortunately. [00:22:48] Speaker B: It's electronic boogie woogie ram gone. [00:22:50] Speaker A: Oh, hey, but speaking of something that is not heavy and is actually incredibly small. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:22:57] Speaker A: The Mac Mini has actually just got minia. Is that a word? Minia? Yeah, yeah. [00:23:04] Speaker B: I'll let you have it. [00:23:05] Speaker A: You'll let me have mini? Okay, so 5 inch by 5 inch. How tall is it? It's 2 inch tall, I think now. So it's got a little bit taller. [00:23:13] Speaker B: How big has an Apple tv? [00:23:15] Speaker A: It looks like there's a. The photo size. [00:23:18] Speaker C: Someone's in someone's hand. Like it just. Yes, it's just balanced in someone's palm, which is just incredible. [00:23:24] Speaker A: It is tiny. Yeah. I think someone did a size comparison. Hard to find it. [00:23:29] Speaker C: But I sent it to you, actually. [00:23:31] Speaker A: You did, didn't you? Oh, what? I'm. [00:23:33] Speaker C: Yes, it's like an O imessage. It's like an overlay of all the different things stacked on top of each other. [00:23:38] Speaker A: Yes, that's right. Let me have a look. [00:23:40] Speaker C: Did you notice in the announcement video that the very first start of it was like a mini model village? So everything, all the drone shots were all miniaturized, like mini. Mini cars, mini people, everything. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Oh, yes, clever. So Apple TV is 1.3 1.2 inches tall, right. And is 3.1 inch. Is that. Sorry, no, that's height, isn't it? That's height. Sorry, that's height. Right, that makes sense. Sorry, my bad. So that's 1.2 inches tall. The new Mac mini is 2 inches. It is only 5 inch square, which is really cool. So it's only a little bit bigger. But what's really interesting, right, is how it compares with the old look. That's the old Mac. Wow. [00:24:34] Speaker C: It's so big in comparison. [00:24:36] Speaker A: It really is. But also it does now. Yeah, it does have a lot more ports. Now I'm going to zoom out a little bit. And just. So that's the footprint there. These are the two footprints. Right. Which is really interesting. Look at this. There is one thing, right, that is missing from a new imac. The new Mac Mini. There is no USB A. Oh, so you. It's okay. Is that a big deal? I do not personally think so. Especially not. Hold on. Here's the thing, right. These days I think this was about 20 pounds, maybe a little bit more USB C. Oh, yes, four USB A's. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Exactly. And you can daisy chain a lot more of those now too. [00:25:20] Speaker C: Well, when I got my imac, I saw it as an opportunity to replace cables instead of using adapters. [00:25:26] Speaker A: That makes sense because actually you can get USB C to a heck of a lot of a traditional usb. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Yeah, the one that was really hard to get was for my microphone. So this is like a mini. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Oh, is it Mini usb. [00:25:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Finding. Finding a mini USB to USB C was a bit tricky, but that is. [00:25:42] Speaker B: A little bit I've used adapters here. I've got a bunch of things making. Mine was one of the. Yeah, mine's the. Mine's the first M1 Mac mini. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So to be fair, I think you've got very similar. Now, if I remember correctly. Let me just look at that image again because I'm going to make sure I get this right. One second. So, on the new map, Mini, I think, is it. How many Thunderbolts is it? Four. Four Thunderbolts on the back. No, I think it's two. Hold on, let's go and have a look. I should have checked this before we recorded, shouldn't I? There we go. And I was even watching my video earlier and you know, I just completely went off the. [00:26:20] Speaker C: So on the front there's one what looks like a 3.5 mil jack. [00:26:24] Speaker A: It is, yeah, yeah. So that's so. And this is the thing. This is the first time any Mac Mini has had front IO. Any Mac Mini. [00:26:33] Speaker C: Right? [00:26:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:26:35] Speaker A: So. Which is really impressive. Right. [00:26:37] Speaker C: So the front ports, I don't know what they are, but on the back there's three US Thunderbolt ports, but I'm not sure what the two front ones are. [00:26:44] Speaker A: They're just USB C. It's on. Yeah, so it does say. So they are just USB C. Whether or not they're 5 or 10 gigabit, I do not know. No, but I think they're designed for like hard drives or USB sticks or charging your phone. [00:26:57] Speaker C: Quick access stuff. [00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah. On the back you've got the power. Now, what's really interesting here, of course, is give him. So give him the size of this unit. Right. I would not have expected that to still have an internal power supply. [00:27:10] Speaker C: It's impressive. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. Alex, do you want to know what's even more impressive? That Ethernet port. They've retained the 10 gig option. [00:27:19] Speaker C: Right. So you can. Yeah, that's what. Little great little machine. [00:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know what that pairs really well with. And I'm sure, in fact, I know that you just had someone chatting about this on your. Your wonderful UI chat podcast, because of course that ten gig option will not only do ten gig, it will do two and a half gig. [00:27:40] Speaker C: Ah, right. Okay. There we go. [00:27:43] Speaker B: And just to confirm the. Yeah, the back ports are three Thunderbolt capable. And for those who don't know, Thunderbolt is also USB C. So. So you have both options. The front is just to USB C. [00:27:56] Speaker A: That's right, that's correct. But again, that's fine for the purpose. Free. Free Thunderbolt. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Oh, you moved the power button to the front. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's caused some controversy as well. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Oh yeah, Server farms. [00:28:08] Speaker A: It's underneath. [00:28:10] Speaker B: Oh, then what's that thing on the front then? Is that because. Because there's the light and then there's the. [00:28:15] Speaker A: You mean that circle? Yeah, that's a headphone jack, Jake. [00:28:19] Speaker B: Oh, that's. Well, I don't know what those are. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Anymore, but Alex does. Alex is wearing wired headphones. I wear. [00:28:27] Speaker B: I am too, but I'm doing. I'm doing a USB interface. [00:28:32] Speaker A: That is true. But if you're not though. And do you know what? Apple's audio outputs on their devices do tend to be really quite good. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Oh yeah. I've actually sometimes used the speaker on this Mac, very Mac before. It's. [00:28:41] Speaker A: No, no, I don't even mean the speakers, Jay. I mean the headphone output good quality, really good quality. But the button underneath me because A, you can shut it down from the menu. B, these Mac Minis, they do. I. I don't know the last time apart from when I really felt that. Okay. I think I maybe should have done it today when Agile Octopus's prices went into a 60 pence per kilowatt hour. But then I realized, well, even then it's actually not that bad because it's for a whole kilowatt of usage for a whole hour. It's not. [00:29:20] Speaker C: Yeah, they're very, very efficient. Even if you compare it to the ones from 2010, the amount of power these things use now is so little. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:32] Speaker A: Now the one thing that of course this redesign changes is that none of the existing Mac Mini under desk or Visa mount things for the Mac Mini will work. [00:29:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:47] Speaker A: Anymore. So we're going to. So hopefully we'll see some new ones. But I mean that footprint is just tiny. Well. [00:29:53] Speaker B: And that it drives it up to three displays is pretty impressive too. [00:29:57] Speaker A: Yes. Whilst because of the M4. Right. [00:30:00] Speaker B: So. [00:30:01] Speaker A: So just like they did with the M2 where that had an M2 Pro, which is in fact the machine I'm using right now, I have an M2 Pro Mac Mini. They've also done an M4 Pro Mac Mini. Now that gives you obviously the higher CPU via gpu. But more what's interesting is, and this is the first time I mentioned, because it wasn't on the imac, we're now at Thunderbolt five. Oh. [00:30:24] Speaker B: At first on their site it said look small. I thought it said look small, save his lives. I'm like, no lives large. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Clever. So yes, if I go into the comfort. So you can pre order, because these aren't even. These are coming out this week. So this all happened last week, Right. And we're gonna launch on Friday, I believe, of this week. So we're recording on Monday. These actually go out on, on Friday. So the, the M4 Pro, you get Thunderbolt 5. Now, Thunderbolt 5, by default, it's 80 gigabits a second transfer speed. Right. But I believe it can do something where it does something where for a short period or for one device, it can do 120 gigabit a second transfer speeds. [00:31:11] Speaker C: Yeah, that's incredible. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Now, when you're talking mat sort of transfer speeds and you get the right combination of SSD and enclosure, that's some seriously rapid external storage you've got going on. Couple that with a nice 10 gig interface into your Unas Pro from Ubiquiti, which of course, along with the Flex Mini 2.5 gigabyte, you can hear all about on UI chat. [00:31:35] Speaker C: I promise you, I haven't paid him. [00:31:37] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You think me really nice. Really. We had a really good journey in a vehicle that I'm not actually allowed to talk about on the. This, this particular podcast. Yeah, it wasn't. You know what? Screw it. It was a Genesis G80. No, it wasn't. G70. Sorry, it was a G80. Was it G80? Yeah, I got it. Okay. Beautiful, beautiful car. But that's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say. So I'm not meant to say more. Hopefully that's not gonna be the case so much longer. We'll see. Anyway, so base model, right? Base model, Mac, mini, US Pricing. Alex, could you pull the uk? Because I think it's going to be the same, isn't it? Yep. [00:32:16] Speaker C: Yeah, it's always going to be. It's 5.99, which is actually really reasonable advance back. [00:32:23] Speaker A: So, look, this has got 10 core CPU, 10 core GP GPU, 16 gig of unified memory and 250 gig SSD, which is really cool. Now, they also mentioned something. These are their first carbon neutral Macs. [00:32:38] Speaker C: Which is really good. [00:32:40] Speaker A: Now, you step that up, of course, then to. I'm going to step up to the M4 Pro. So you obviously step up a little bit as you get more storage for $800. So 800 pounds, you get 512 gig of storage. So it is. It's a $200 bump for the storage. Right. $1,000 or pounds, you get 24 gig. But then when you step up to the M4 Pro, right. The M4 Pro is a 12 core CPU, 16 core GPU, starts at 24 gig of memory and has 512 gig. Now you can configure the M4 Pro. Right. This is where it gets interesting for me because we start to become little powerhouses. You can configure it up to a 14 core CPU, 20 core GPU and up to bear in mind the size of this machine. Yeah, 64 gig of memory. That is impressive. [00:33:34] Speaker B: Yeah, very impressive. [00:33:36] Speaker A: I meant it was again up to 8 terabytes of SSD storage if you want it. But that will cost you $2,400 more. [00:33:48] Speaker B: To put in if you need it. It's there but. Yeah, but it is. I will say it's amazing to see the Mac Mini go from being that device that they're like a lot of people were like ah years ago that like it's missing so much to now. In my opinion it is one of the powerhouses and in some ways I would almost take the savings of a Mac Mini over an imac. I mean as much as I like the imacs the Mac Mini can fit because I've got mine here and then I it fits into it and at one of our client sites we have a few Mac Minis and we've used them over the years Again powerhouses that are. And when they get the end of life POP os. I'm being very serious. [00:34:28] Speaker A: Oh, good point. Well more so on the Intel Macs. Jay, I'm not sure how far we are. I don't think we're close to having ARM based ARM support on POP OS yet. Particularly not on Apple Silicon. But yeah, intel old Intel Macs will run particularly you know, POP OS really. [00:34:43] Speaker B: Really well no, as a as of December 1st or 2023 populace now an ARM and Raspberry PI. [00:34:52] Speaker A: Yeah but that doesn't mean Apple Silicon Deer. Oh true because of the way Apple Silicon. But yes that's really cool but so that means for example the. Because I think who is it who partnered with. Oh is it system 76 are doing a Ampere based workstation. Ampere is a. In fact Ampere is what powers quite a few of the Crosswire servers. It's an ARM based workstation server chip. Very cool. So you get the power of ARM but on a server which obviously you get MAP up. But these MAP minis, you know they are remote machines I think. Alex, didn't you say you've when you needed to do some video migration you've just spun up a MAP mini with Mac Stadium. [00:35:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:37] Speaker C: Yeah, that was really cool. Just to. My Internet isn't fast enough to download like hundreds of gigabytes of footage just to literally just download from Google Drive and push across to YouTube. It was perfect. I did notice though after a while that I do wonder if upload stuff to YouTube. It was topping out about 50 megs. After a little while I wondered if YouTube had sort of caught wind of like spam protection because the first few it did it full speed and then last few it took hours. [00:36:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it could be an anti spam thing. It could. Because obviously Vale Google might recognize the Max stadium block of IPs. [00:36:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. [00:36:15] Speaker A: But. Oh well, I think this is a. I think these are wonderful machines. Those price points, they made a good point. You know, like enterprises. I mean look, education. I think they actually, I think I might be wrong. They do an education discount. [00:36:30] Speaker C: They do, yeah. [00:36:31] Speaker A: Which brings the Mac Mini base Mac Mini down to just $500. [00:36:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it's very good, isn't it? [00:36:37] Speaker A: But Alex made a really good point earlier that. Yes, it's a great price. As in. Well, so to answer Jay's question, to take. If you were to take the Mac Mini over an imac, could you actually get as good a display for the price difference? [00:36:55] Speaker C: I really don't know. [00:36:56] Speaker B: But even if you weren't doing it as good of a display, you're at least doing a. Because like it's a part of it is. I, I wouldn't want to pay for. I don't need the biggest display. I just need a. And like my monitors I have are good. [00:37:08] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. [00:37:09] Speaker A: Okay. Actually, fair point. Because if you've already got, say for example, you are switching from a Windows PC. [00:37:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:17] Speaker A: But actually you've already got monitors, right? [00:37:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:20] Speaker A: You've already got the stuff you need. That is a. Because that was the original tagline, wasn't it? Of the imac. Bring your own keyboard display and mouse. [00:37:29] Speaker C: The Mac. The Mac Mini. Yeah, yeah. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Mac Mini. Yeah, yeah. Did I say the imac? Sorry, I meant. Yeah. Oops. Yeah, the old, the original Mac Mini was, was literally targeted at Windows switches. Yeah. [00:37:40] Speaker C: Because you just, literally just plug. Unplug your tower and plug this in and job done. [00:37:46] Speaker A: So it did make me smile when they. In the video they compared it to the bestselling PC in the price point and like that thing is huge. [00:37:56] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:37:57] Speaker A: But what's also interesting is it feels more. More like a literal MINI version for Mac Studio. Now. [00:38:07] Speaker C: It's like one of those NUC PCs. And those are. Yes, those are traditionally really not very good specs. And if you do want good specs, you've got to pay a lot. They'll never be what this is. [00:38:17] Speaker A: No. So no. And then on top of that you've got obviously macOS itself. But yeah, and we're going to come back to it because obviously there's something they've been talking about quite a bit with all of them. There's been the headline, there's been like the. If it almost feels like a copy paste segment between all three announcements with the same presenter. I. I've got to think, by the way, we filmed that all in one shot because all in one day we'll come back to a filming of it because again, looked beautiful. They then updated the MacBook Pros. I mean effectively, it's just exactly what they've done with the imac. They've shoved the new chips into the new, into the MacBook Pros. Except did anyone catch something they mentioned on the M4 MacBook Pro? [00:39:09] Speaker C: I didn't see that. [00:39:10] Speaker A: No, they added, they've added. So on the Original base model M3 MacBook Pro, 14 inch, it wasn't available in the space black. [00:39:22] Speaker C: Oh, okay, yeah, I did notice that. [00:39:24] Speaker A: But also They've added a Thunderbolt 4 port to the right hand side to match the other machine. So you now get three Thunderbolt 4 ports on the base M4. [00:39:37] Speaker C: Because the base model was a little bit, not just a little bit of a compromise. [00:39:42] Speaker B: I missed that because even on the news I missed the MacBook Pro. I'm so sorry. I guess I overbooked that. [00:39:50] Speaker A: That's terrible. Yeah. I mean the base model MacBook Pro I think is for people who wanted the bigger screen, wanted the better IO and maybe didn't want to worry about the MacBook thermal throttling, which I think, I think is reasonable. Yeah. Then of course we get the now again, that starts at 16 gig and then we get the new M4 Pro and M4 Max models. I mean really, these chips are insane. Let me just pull up Apple's site on this because when I, I was watching this again today and like in a laptop. Are you kidding me? I mean, you know, I don't know for YouTube, but you remember when laptops used to be like just any laptop, not just Apple's laptops, but any laptop just used to be woefully inadequate compared with a desktop. [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yeah, well. And like the 14 and 16 inch sizes started 1999 and 2499 and if you add and as I said, if you max out the ladder one and add nanotexture, it'll cost up to $4249. [00:41:00] Speaker A: Okay. The M4, the base M4 by the way starts at. Was it 15.99. So that's not the Pro versions. That's not the Pro or Max. But let's take. Because I for me I think 14 inch. I'm trying to. I mean I, I like the size of a 16 inch but also it's harder to carry. So the M4 Pro 14 inch right. Is a 12 core CPU. Now what's really interesting there is if I. They did the tech specs do say how many efficiency cores. But the M4 Pro and Max have more performance cores than efficiency cores, whereas the M4 is. The M4 is six efficiency cores, four performance cores. If I remember correctly, the top end config on an M4 Max. Right. I'm going to go all the way to the top end because as Jake just slightly dropped in there you can get nano. I don't think you get nano texture on the previous gen. Could you. [00:42:02] Speaker C: No, this is, this is new as well, right? [00:42:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is really cool. [00:42:05] Speaker C: It's really good. [00:42:06] Speaker B: A maxed out 16 inch max 7349. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Okay, but let's talk tech specs for a while because. But, but so the nano texture actually banana texture is only 150 pounds more. It's actually not that bad on the base level. So. Excuse me, on the. When you upgrade to an M4 Max that also takes you up to 48 gig. So when you upgrade. Sorry. When you Upgrade to the 16 core CPU, 40 core GPU on an M4 max you go up to 48 gig. These machines can now take 128 gig gig of unified memory. [00:42:46] Speaker C: Wow. [00:42:47] Speaker A: And again 8 terabytes on a laptop. [00:42:49] Speaker C: That'S just insane, isn't it? [00:42:50] Speaker A: It's ridiculous. [00:42:50] Speaker C: You're carrying that around with you. [00:42:53] Speaker B: And on the Max you can go between 1 terabyte to 8 terabytes of storage. [00:42:57] Speaker A: I think that's actually the case. I might, I'm going to double check on the imac but I think actually that's now Apple's sort of stock SSD configuration now Jay, I think that's the range is now is like 256 all the way up till to 8 terabytes. I'm just gonna double check but I'm not wrong on that because don't want to make a fool on myself because I make a fool on myself a lot of other stuff. [00:43:19] Speaker B: No comment. [00:43:21] Speaker A: Oh no. Okay, I will. I stand corrected. The imac can only go up to 2 terabytes of storage. Really interesting. [00:43:30] Speaker C: On the base model. [00:43:32] Speaker A: I'm just double checking because the, the. [00:43:34] Speaker C: Better models, they can go up to 8. [00:43:37] Speaker A: Oh, you are right. Yeah. The 10 cut yet? No, no, thank you. You are quite right. The high end. Yeah, the one with the 24. I'm just gonna double check. Yeah, no, I'm looking at the UK store, the iMax. I'm on the M4. 10 core CPU, 10 core GPU which seems to be the only option. [00:44:00] Speaker C: Yep. [00:44:01] Speaker A: That can only go up to two terabytes. [00:44:03] Speaker C: How weird. I thought. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that. [00:44:06] Speaker C: That's. I, I swear when I ordered mine, I could have gone to eight. [00:44:11] Speaker B: And on Mac Minis you can only go up to two on. Except. Except if you do the Max. Max can go up to. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Do you mean the Pro on the Mac Mini? [00:44:19] Speaker B: Oh yeah, yeah. Pro. Sorry, not Mac Mini. [00:44:21] Speaker A: So it must, it must be a configuration option on the M4 then. So let's just hold on. Now I'm curious. On the base model, MacBook Pro. Right. Because I wonder if it's a feature of the chip rather. Am I making sense? Yes. Yep. The M4. So it's not a feature of a product. It is the chip. The M4 can only go up to 2 terabytes of SSD regardless of the Apple product it is inside of. How weird. [00:44:53] Speaker C: Because unless I'm remembering wrong, I swear the, the imac m1 could do eight terabytes. But I'm probably wrong. No, two terabytes was a max. Okay, never mind. [00:45:01] Speaker A: Okay, so it's a limitation then of. And I think it's an artificial limitation that Apple put in place. But the limitation of the MX or whatever, you know, is two terabytes. [00:45:13] Speaker C: That's true. [00:45:13] Speaker A: I mean, that makes sense to be fair. And 2 terabytes of SSD is still plenty. But when you go for a Pro or Max, these are beefy laptops. Right? Right. [00:45:21] Speaker B: And they're going to last you a long time. Again, we have, we. We have clients who still have imacs. I mean, my ma, my M1 Mac mini, I got that in 2021 and it's still chugging along well. [00:45:33] Speaker A: But it's really interesting. We do still have a client. One of our clients. I mean, to be fair, we only got one client who's actually got Max. They are still on, at least for one of a machine. No, two machines, two production machines. Yeah, they are on Intel Max. I Cannot wait to move them over fully to M series chips. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:53] Speaker A: Because what. Which is it? The is for Pro or Max, isn't it? But now are claiming 24 hour battery. [00:46:00] Speaker B: Life which is quite incredible. I mean, I mean your, your MacBook Air. Doesn't that last you days? [00:46:08] Speaker C: Mine as well. Yeah. Like my old, my old intel on MacBook, I'll be so worried about it running out of battery. But my M2 is, is. It just lasts for ages. I can go to a coffee shop with it and it just, it just lasts so long, I don't have to worry. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I've used it on train. I think it's been because you've got the M2 whereas I've got the M3. [00:46:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker A: So it's just a slight, but slight improvement I think on battery life. But VR, you know, these MacBook Pros, they've got good connectivity. Thunderbolt. So Thunderbolt 5 again on the Pro and Max, which is really good. So three wonderful products. Now there is one thing they also did, I think we mentioned it at the start of the thing. They didn't do anything to my book. Air Bar bump the ram up to 16 gig on the, on the base models. Which makes, I mean, I'm just going to say this Right now, that M2 MacBook Air is possibly one of the best laptop buys at the moment for a good thin and light decent connectivity because you know, well, it's got two thunderbolt fours. [00:47:19] Speaker C: Wi Fi 6. [00:47:20] Speaker A: Wi Fi 6. Good point. Yeah. Are these, are we on Wi Fi 7 on any of these new MacBook Pros? [00:47:26] Speaker C: No, there wasn't. There was a Mac Mac Rumors article that came out last week that said these haven't moved to Wi Fi 7 yet. I believe they have Wi Fi 6e60 and so. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Can I ask you a quick question because we, I think we've mentioned this before but I want to just clarify this because I don't know if you. What? Well, you watch probably as much YouTube as I do. EE who are an ISP here are now advertising their Wi Fi 7 router. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but saying every device will benefit from Wi Fi 7. But that's not true, is it? I mean like your device has to support Wi Fi 7 but also is it fair to say for most consumers Wi Fi 7 is not. It's. [00:48:10] Speaker C: We had this Wi Fi 6 and if you remember there was, there was a absolute ton of hype around it that's going to solve every problem known to man. The same with 5G as well. But it's. It's only, it's. It's only. Yeah, it's only what your device is capable of and also what you're doing. Wi Fi 6. I haven't. I don't know much about Wi Fi 7 just yet because it's still not really what is official, but not really. But Wi Fi 6 was. Its main benefit is the amount of devices it can handle. And unless you've got a home with every single thing is on the wifi is not going to make a massive difference. It's more for enterprise stuff. Wi Fi 7 has MLO, which is you can do. I don't know, you can do upload on 5 GHz and download on 6 GHz depending on the noise. We're getting to some really sort of in the weed stuff here with this stuff now. It's not going to make a huge difference. I think what E are doing is just marketing. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, because. [00:49:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I was saying basically. Yeah. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Because a lot of consumers have inadequate WI fi routers and setups. That's where a lot of your WI fi issues come from. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Yeah, you make a good point. You make a very good point because actually even. Okay, so even for me, even though on a wonderful router, which I think is great for a lot of people and Alex very kindly hooked us up with this for a very, very fair price. So thank you, Alex. The Unified Dream Router, right. It caps at 700 megabits. [00:49:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker A: And now I've got gigabit fiber. So actually I've just upgraded waiting for it to arrive to the Unified Cloud Gateway Ultra. Do a few other changes. Go on, Jay. [00:49:53] Speaker B: And we're running a Unified Dream Machine here because we wanted to. Because we have. Because my parents have a big house and we wanted to get them a. A good system that also had had protect and it's. It's impressive what that can do. I mean, again. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Well, can I say something? I think if the uc, the Unified Cloud Gateway Max had come out at the time we were buying your service is not UI chat. This is just random. But the point I'm making is like it doesn't necessarily matter. These are not Wi Fi 7. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Exactly. Because again, Wi Fi 7. I mean the reason why EERO is doing is doing it because marketing they want to show and it's like, no, you're probably running off of an ISP router and that's what's causing most of your issues. [00:50:45] Speaker C: There might also be another reason why. So Macrium is also reported at the same time that Apple are working on their own. Their own Wi Fi 7 chips. [00:50:54] Speaker A: Oh. [00:50:56] Speaker C: So they might be waiting for that because historically they've used intel modems for 5G. But also, I don't know what Qualcomm may be. I don't know who makes WI FI chips, but the fact they're doing their own work makes me think that they're gonna have something cool coming. But yeah. [00:51:13] Speaker B: Yes. Because I know they're already working on that. What if. Okay, this is gonna be Apple rumor theory. [00:51:19] Speaker A: Go on. [00:51:20] Speaker B: What if they're coming out with a dual cellular and WI FI chip that can reduce the use of your. The battery use by combining them in the same thing? How cool would that be that you could either do cellular or WI fi? [00:51:34] Speaker A: I've just had a thought on that. You know. Mm. Because we know how. Okay. If they do that and they have a cellular chip and a WI FI chip combined. What's. What's the stop? And putting Martin to max. I know. Could we see the first combined WI FI plus cellular? [00:51:52] Speaker B: Honestly, we could. And it would be a huge selling. And then add it into Apple satellite. [00:51:58] Speaker A: What? Okay, okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Why would you need Apple satellite on. [00:52:04] Speaker B: Mac when the Internet goes down and you need to contact somebody with. With the way that they do already do the. The iPhone. Satellite. Satellite. Emergency satellite. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Yeah, but I mean, that is already. [00:52:14] Speaker C: A thing, I think, with T Mobile and SpaceX, I believe. [00:52:18] Speaker A: Oh, really? Okay. [00:52:19] Speaker C: I think Starlink. Yeah. [00:52:21] Speaker B: So it. It. It's again, we're in the river territory. I'm just going all out. [00:52:27] Speaker A: You really are. However, I was. I was actually with Alex yesterday. We went to go and see some cars. Like just like old cars. It was great fun. But the cell signal there on EE was just. It was dire. Yeah. Dire. [00:52:42] Speaker B: It was worse than E. Right. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:46] Speaker C: Nothing. [00:52:46] Speaker A: It was nothing. Well, you had signal because of that fancy SIM thing you've got, which is really cool. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. So quickly I got to test the demo of the satellite connectivity. Yeah. But I. Alex. What's it called? [00:53:00] Speaker C: Alex, this is not a promo. I have actually, I have asked the co founders to be on the podcast, but they weren't interested. [00:53:06] Speaker A: Oh, it's a shame. [00:53:07] Speaker C: But anyway, it's a. What's the. It says five pounds a month at the moment in the uk and what that gets you is is roaming between all. Was all four networks, so Vodafone, O2EE and three. [00:53:19] Speaker B: Kind of like Google Project Fi in a way. [00:53:21] Speaker C: Oh really? [00:53:23] Speaker B: Because Project Fi goes between different networks. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Oh. [00:53:27] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know. That's cool. But what this is is it's. They've ditched Vodafone for now, but they will come back to it because they're having technical issues. But it gives you unlimited data in the entire world. I'm paying bar a few countries, one or two countries, but with access to essential apps they class it as. So Google maps, Apple Maps, iMessage Single, all the EV charging apps, WhatsApp as well. And I want to say some banking apps as well, like Monzo and stuff like that. And wise. So. And I said to you, like, if you're traveling in Europe, you're not sort of sat doom scrolling using the Internet. You're sort of getting to where you're going and you can use the proper Internet when you get to the hotel. So. And for five pounds a month for unlimited data on those essential apps. That's really cool. And it works with CarPlay because I used it once when I had no signal to get. To get directions. Um, with, with CarPlay. So yeah, so you go. [00:54:22] Speaker A: I guess that makes sense because it's going through your phone. Your phone's just choosing to route the data down that SIM rather than your primary sim. So it's definitely not meant for. It's not a day to day sim, obviously, Jay. [00:54:34] Speaker C: You can't get phone calls on it. [00:54:35] Speaker A: No, because it gives you a US number, doesn't it? [00:54:37] Speaker C: It gives you a US plus one phone number. Yeah. And I rang it and it doesn't work but. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Oh, fair enough. But obviously it means that you've got. Excuse me, our voice is really good. You've got essential connectivity. But the point I was making is I had to obviously aim the phone at the satellite. [00:54:56] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:54:57] Speaker A: I'm just going to say this, Jay. Aiming a laptop at the sky does not seem feasible. [00:55:04] Speaker B: No, I wasn't even thinking I'm going to aim the imac because I used to, I used to carry my, my imac. [00:55:09] Speaker A: Were you one of those people who had an imac carry pouch? You were, you were that person in Starbucks. [00:55:18] Speaker B: I was actually. [00:55:20] Speaker C: Oh dear me. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Well, that's definitely a clip from a podcast. Well, to be fair with the new. Oh, you know, I just realized. Right. Genuinely okay, if you can't. If you can't afford a laptop, base model map mini. Right. Power adapter and a USB C powered external display. Oh yeah, yeah. [00:55:42] Speaker C: That'd be kind of cool. [00:55:43] Speaker A: But okay. I mean. So Jay and I say. Go on, Jay. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Question on that. [00:55:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:48] Speaker B: If you did that, are you using intelligence or do you need to ask Apple for some intelligence? [00:55:54] Speaker A: Do you know what? So Jay's going to talk about something at the end of the show as a. Because we need to promote something. But I was hoping that a time away might have. Might have like calmed the puns. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I was bipolar. I wasn't bipunular. [00:56:11] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:56:14] Speaker C: I've got one more thing. I've got one more thing about the WI FI chips before we go. So it says iPhone 16 models use Broadcom WI Fi chips, but these new Apple design chips will actually be manufactured by TSMC 7 nanometer process, which is insane. And Apple is also launching their own 5G chip next year apparently as well. There has also been conflicting rumors about whether these will be separate chips or one combined chip for 5G, WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS. [00:56:42] Speaker A: But yeah, it's interesting. [00:56:45] Speaker C: I've got to imagine that their sort of silicon chops will be really good for WI Fi chips. You'd probably see some massive improvements because then relying on third parties is not historically bowed out very well. So. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Well, Broadcom are not exactly known for their innovation. [00:57:05] Speaker C: Is it. [00:57:05] Speaker A: Is it Mr. Company that's killed off VMware Fusion. So I think they've done some really dodgy stuff recently. Well, Broadcom own took over Semantic. Oh, it's a mess. [00:57:16] Speaker C: Oh, really? I didn't. I didn't realize that. [00:57:17] Speaker A: Yeah, no, they did. And remember licensing got really silly for Semantic Semantic antivirus, which I just. I mean we use Sentinel One because we get it but Bitdefender on malwarebytes. Anyway, so what Jay was trying to say with her wonderful punning was Apple Intelligence because that's been reverting theme throughout all three announcements is these are built for Apple intelligence. Now out of the fevers. I think Jay's the only one who's actually been able to really try it. Unless you've tried it by switching your language, Alex. But I don't. I haven't. [00:57:53] Speaker C: I didn't really fancy doing that just because it might break certain family sharing stuff. We've got a very complicated family sharing setup here, so. And. And I've already had enough problems with the home pods not recognizing who I am over the past few months, so. And vice versa. So I didn't really particularly want to mess with it. [00:58:08] Speaker A: But. [00:58:09] Speaker C: Yeah. How have you. Have you found it, Jay? [00:58:10] Speaker B: I've only done it on my Mac and so far I found it really good. I did some of the photos, I tried Some of the photos out. I did try some of the, the, the proofreading and it seems to be nice. I also like some of the priority and I'm still trying to figure out how do you tell it? Like what's not, not prior. I'm still learning like in mail how that. But it was interesting. One of the notifications, it was like, it was like James said this, this, this, this. And it was. [00:58:38] Speaker A: Oh, the summary. [00:58:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it has a lot of teething room. I want to try Mitch Playground and gen emoji when it comes out unfortunately, because my only M device right now is my Mac. My iPhone and iPad don't have it. But I, I like it. The only thing I hate is I'm back on US language and not UK language. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Well, okay, so why, why you, you, why are you using UK English? [00:59:06] Speaker B: Because it, it's, it's, it's, it's the proper way. That's why I can compare myself. [00:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes, but she's American. [00:59:13] Speaker B: But I'm going to be marrying somebody from the UK so. [00:59:16] Speaker C: Okay. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Okay. Jay, as you well know for quite, until we get quite a lot bit more money that does not make you a British citizen. [00:59:23] Speaker B: I know, but I can, I, I can, I can, I can, I can act like I'm from Bridgerton, you know. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Well, never mind Bridgerton lass. If I get older, you're going to be speaking Yorkshire or Lancastrian. Just depends where. I feel it feeling a bit more because I'm a Lancaster originally. So. [00:59:41] Speaker B: But you know, you know, Larry, I'll be on IL Moore. [00:59:45] Speaker A: But no, stop, stop, stop right there because I know what you're about to try and do and you're going to butcher a beloved Yorkshire song. Stop it right now. Okay, before I send. And again, this is a reference that maybe some of our older viewers will find before I send Nora Batty round. [01:00:04] Speaker C: I used to enjoy that show. It was really good. [01:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well my dad was up that way today. You know, actually picking up a table and chairs like. No, I, I, I loved that show. I'm glad you recognize that regal. I'm gonna have to show show Jay at some point anyway, the things that really excite me about Apple Intelligence Image Playground. You know, I can actually see having some fun with some, some stuff from our streams with that Gen Mochi. Yeah, maybe. But again, some of the proofreading stuff, some of the actually be able to get queries and act on stuff. I think that's good. But I do think for me the big thing that really, really impresses move AI Apple intelligence is that it's all on device and then if it needs to go further, if it's going to chat GPT, it's going to ask you. But if it needs to go further into the cloud compute, it's what we call it private cloud. Private cloud compute. [01:01:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:03] Speaker A: The idea is that is just your data and they've got it independently verified because Apple did this whole thing recently said basically LLMs suck. I mean that was basically the headline. They're like, yeah, LLMs really don't understand things. [01:01:17] Speaker B: And I mean you and I still have our. We are trying to, we are trying to decide like, like, like we do use AI in certain parts of our, of our business but we're very careful because we, we try to be careful where it's used and what it's, what it's using because AI itself is as we said, it's not bad. It's what they, it's where they get the data from, it's how it's used that there's a lot of questions and I recommend our Episodes with Professor Catherine flick on that. And yeah, like I said, I'm very impressed with it. It wasn't. Some of the, some of the Apple intelligence on the photos made it look like. Do you remember the old thing that used to happen on Instagram where like, like somebody was trying to like get to re. Like remove like, like, like excess weight on themselves and you saw that like they're, that the, the walkway that they're on. [01:02:08] Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:02:12] Speaker B: A few that look that way but some of them are actually really amazing. Like I made one of you and me look like there was nobody else around. It was actually, actually kind of. [01:02:20] Speaker A: I did a little bit of that and it very. I think it very much depends of what's left in the image. If it's a busy image, you're going to struggle. But yeah, it is because the photo stuff we could do now. Yeah, Alex, that's available to us on photos already. Oh, but clean up stuff is. [01:02:35] Speaker C: Anyway, I didn't realize that. Oh, actually phone recording is available as well. Have you noticed? [01:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:02:40] Speaker C: In the top left hand corner there's a little wavy thing. And I got left a voicemail from a sales company today and it actually read it out in real time or like I got a readout not in real time but like a notification afterwards, but it was in text. I don't know if that's new but. [01:02:54] Speaker B: And what's cool. [01:02:55] Speaker A: Voicemail transcription. Yeah, that's kind of cool. [01:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah and what's cool is when you do the note recording it takes it into notes with it with a transcript. Again there's a lot of things Apple's trying to do. They're trying to really not go too far down into the, the, the, the territory that, that's concerning with AI. Yeah I want, I want to see real world cases of like world where and where it can fix stuff because there's, there's still a lot of things I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm hearing from here and there but I am, I'm intrigued. I don't know how much I'm going to want it to do a lot, a lot of stuff for me but I'm very intrigued by it. [01:03:33] Speaker A: I think it's going to have some benefits interestingly on the call recording thing because yes I did see that we, we've tried it out. It does a good job of transcript but it does also play into the call. A. This call has been recorded. This call is no longer being recorded. [01:03:47] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:47] Speaker A: That's because of consent. Now the general consensus is where you need two party consent, implied consent because you've been advised is enough. So like for example, because you've chosen to continue. So like for example when you go through to a call center. Yeah calls may be recorded for quality or training purposes but you by choosing to continue with that call you're consenting and I think that's what Apple have gone for to try and make it simple because I don't know what unifi talk is to bring it back. Unified Talk now has call record. Has had call recording for quite a while but that's got AI transcription now. [01:04:28] Speaker C: I think it has and I haven't. I am working on a video about unifi talk for a UK specific setup so I will find out but I don't really know. I'd imagine they will have it because of. I think California is quite a, quite a privacy state. I'm not really sure but they've got some, yeah they've got some rules in there that I'd imagine they probably had to do it. [01:04:49] Speaker A: So. Yeah, well they give you a legal. But I was watching one of Cody's videos where when it came out they give you a legal blurb but you can also put in a message that says call because what unifi talks really flexible for what how the phone stuff works. So I put Intelligence, me and Alex, I think we are going to end up probably doing some videos on. At least I am on Apple Intelligence in The UK when it hits in December. [01:05:11] Speaker C: Nice. [01:05:11] Speaker A: I don't know exactly when it hits, but it might hit when Jay's here because Jay's here in December which would be really cool. [01:05:16] Speaker C: I think it's early December because I think iOS4.18.332. Sorry. It's coming out in the first week of December I believe. [01:05:26] Speaker A: Perfect. Then in fact it will be literally the week that Jay arrives. So we can actually play with it a little bit and try. [01:05:32] Speaker B: I will say that the biggest thing that I want to see. Well how much of this is. [01:05:38] Speaker A: Woo. [01:05:38] Speaker B: Woo. And like what and, and one interesting thing that I noticed my iPhone shows the reduced interruptions focus. I don't know if that's just the thing they're adding or if that's just because it's focus motor sync. [01:05:52] Speaker A: Well, I'd imagine that's maybe not as much Apple Intelligence. That's maybe but that's good. I, I didn't even, I need to check them out. [01:05:59] Speaker B: It only showed up because my iPhone is, is, is not, is not one of the ones that's, that's going to be on the, on the Apple Intelligence. But I, I, I, I've tried, I've tried, I've tried it so far I haven't noticed anything different. [01:06:13] Speaker A: Right. From so it could just be that it synced. But that's an interesting point. But there is another thing that sort of happened. Oh. Which wasn't really a product announcement per se, although I think it could lead to one or very much Apple perhaps wanting something. Apple have acquired pixelmator. [01:06:33] Speaker B: Oh yes. [01:06:34] Speaker A: Now that's three apps that they've acquired there. Pixelmator, pixelmator Pro and Photo Mater. Now why have they done that? Okay, so I mean let's start. Alex, I know you use pixelmator Pro. [01:06:51] Speaker C: I own the app. I haven't used it that often. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Oh, I know why you bought because I think you bought it for the same reason that I did. [01:06:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:00] Speaker A: Right. To take stuff to take image files into Apple Motion which pixelmator Pro can do. [01:07:06] Speaker C: Yep. [01:07:07] Speaker A: What I love about pixelmator Pro in particular is it's got a lot of machine learning stuff. I've, I, I resampled a lot of old photos for of my grandparents using their ML super resolution. [01:07:18] Speaker C: Right. And it actually increases the resolution. Does it? [01:07:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's really quite nice. I realized I have to actually say the words. Yeah, I was nodding because. Hang on a second, this is an audio show as well. But yes it does and it clarified things. It made room usable for print huh, that's pretty good. [01:07:34] Speaker C: And I imagine they seem like one of those app developers which takes Apple's sort of documentation quite seriously and doesn't sort of, sort of ignore it a little bit. And I like developers who do that. It seems like they've enhanced, they've harnessed a lot of the features that Apple have added to the oss. So that's good. [01:07:52] Speaker A: I think you're right. I think you're exactly right. And I'll be really. I hope they continue it, I think. Was it yesterday we were talking about oh, could this be the new. Could they remake it into Aperture? I'm like, well, no, because Aperture was very much a Lightroom competitor. Yeah. [01:08:08] Speaker C: So I never used it. I just heard good things about it. [01:08:11] Speaker A: Well, I miss it because the reason because like it was far more powerful than Photos is, you know, because Lightroom is very much all about your photo management and because Photoshop has become much more about creating new stuff rather than necessarily touching up. Go on. [01:08:27] Speaker B: So Pixel 3.4 which came out almost, almost on the 15th, has, has photo calling, calling with C U L L I N G with Flag Star ratings and advanced filtering. So they have a way to manage your photos. So they've. Oh, it's looking, starting to look like some types of the Light Raymond Aperture features. Not to the same extent, but I could see that being a big thing. I just, I just hope that does not go dark Dark sky because while I love the Apple acquired Dark side for, for Apple Weather, it has never, it has not been the same as Dark sky and we actually use Mercury to try that. [01:09:06] Speaker A: Well you do. I, I just use Apple Weather. [01:09:08] Speaker B: But, but no but like I, I just, I hope we don't lose pixelmator because it is part of our workflow. Like I know that there's a lot of stuff going on in the space because TikTok owns Cap Cut. We use Mojo. No, no, no. I mean we also use, we use Mojo and we also then Canva owns owns Affinity. So there's a lot of stuff going on right now in the shakeup to try to get dethrone Adobe. [01:09:37] Speaker A: That's a good point. That's a very good point actually because Adobe pushing Adobe Express right now. I'm sorry, I am just not an Adobe. I mean you look Alex, you're a fine look at user. Yeah, we are. [01:09:52] Speaker B: I used to be in a Adobe user but the prices just kept going up and up and up and like for the fact that for the what you get with Final Cut, I did a final Cut video recently and it was so much better doing Final Cut versus in Premiere. And I hate that because I used to be a huge Premiere pro advocate. [01:10:12] Speaker A: I mean, look, my first video editing. Actually, no, my first video editing package was Pinnacle Studio. There you go. Then I moved to Premiere Elements and then I moved to the market. Moved to Final Cut Express when that was still a thing. [01:10:29] Speaker B: Wait, I just realized does one of those Movie maker account or. No, no, I think, I think, I think no one. [01:10:35] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. Well, I found out. You know tech. You know, Techmone. [01:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:40] Speaker A: YouTuber, he still uses Imovie. [01:10:42] Speaker B: I mean it's really good. And. And honestly, sometimes the workflow of Vinyl Cap can just be too much for what you need. I mean like there's a reason why I sometimes I like purpose built apps for a workflow. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Well, what's really interesting, they did mention, wasn't it in one of the videos about how Apple Intelligence is going to improve captioning in Final Cut. Apparently they're going to be doing actual captioning inside of Final Cut. [01:11:08] Speaker C: Now I'm looking forward to that because I keep having to use like a third party plugin with Final Cut and it's such a faff. So having something. [01:11:15] Speaker B: Wait a second. [01:11:15] Speaker C: Making sure to be good. [01:11:17] Speaker B: I just did a bunch of captions in Final Cut. [01:11:20] Speaker A: No, but you typed those manually. [01:11:22] Speaker B: Oh, have something else. Gotcha. Okay, because. Yeah, because I just did a bunch of it for a tricks video and. [01:11:29] Speaker A: That'S very specific captioning that you did inside of Final Cut. There. That is the baked in like subtitle generators. This is like the sort of stuff that you see in TikTok videos. [01:11:39] Speaker B: Oh yes, I would, I would love that so. Because I would make it so much easier because Mojo has that and it's so much nicer. [01:11:46] Speaker A: Well, Mojo will still serve a purpose, right. Because it's got a lot of stuff. [01:11:49] Speaker B: That we really like and it's perfect built for vertical video. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Well, it looks like Final Cuts getting better vertical video support as well, it seems like. Yeah, that's at least from that brief segment we talked about. Right. But okay, I want to wrap up on one little thing that made because very excited about that. There's something that struck me from the videos today, I think and I think it was on the imac. We're talking about Sequoia and the apps that are included. Right. And I think this is still very much the case on the Mac over say Windows. And look, if people like Windows, it's absolutely fine. Okay. But I think for, you know, for maybe people who aren't as technical skilled. Because one thing that really scares me right now is recall. Microsoft recall is really scaring me at the moment. [01:12:36] Speaker C: What's that? [01:12:37] Speaker A: But it's where it basically will record everything that you do on your machine. [01:12:41] Speaker B: Oh, now I'm gonna play the, the devil's advocate. How is that different than Apple Intelligence? [01:12:48] Speaker A: Well, Apple Intelligence doesn't record everything you do. Doesn't like take screenshots of everything you're doing. Jay. [01:12:53] Speaker B: Very, very fair. So data that it has access to, but it's only private data. Yeah. [01:12:58] Speaker C: There's an interesting interview. I watched part of it because it was behind a paywall. Most of it else. But Joanna Stern interviewed Craig Federighi again about Apple Intelligence over the other week. So there's like a 10 minute clip that she published on YouTube, but. Oh, I thought that was really interesting. So I'll send you the link for that to put the show notes. [01:13:15] Speaker A: That's good. Is his hair now AI generated as well? [01:13:17] Speaker C: His hair is so perfect. I don't understand it. [01:13:20] Speaker B: We're actually gonna find out that, that, that, that Craig Federicis have been Apple Intelligence the entire time. [01:13:25] Speaker A: And he's out. [01:13:28] Speaker B: I really don't have like the hair now on the icon. [01:13:32] Speaker A: I, I still remember his first, like first proper appearance. He was a state of a union platform. State of Union. And he starts saying, oh, there's over 3,000 new APIs in this version of macOS. Let's start with a. And he actually almost goes into it goes right. The Accelerate framework. And everyone's just laughing because he obviously was taking himself not very seriously. [01:13:52] Speaker C: I, that wasn't his. I think his very first, his very first appearance was actually during the Snow Leopard. [01:13:59] Speaker A: He. [01:14:00] Speaker C: Yeah, it was, it was, it was when there was a. I think he was German. I'm not entirely sure where he was from. [01:14:05] Speaker A: Oh, Bertrand Soleil. Yes. [01:14:07] Speaker C: Yeah. So he introduced Craig Figarigi as someone below him, which was incredible. And he was so nervous, like really awkward. And now he's like a, like a professional actor. Like. [01:14:19] Speaker A: Well, him and Jaws. There's a reason Gruber keeps having him and Jaws. I know, I love that so much when those two get together. [01:14:26] Speaker C: That's so funny. [01:14:27] Speaker A: So one thing, the reason I circle about this is with your imac that you've just bought your Mac Mini out of the box. You're getting pages, keynote numbers, imovie garage band photos. And for me and I. Oh, and a really good mail client as well. [01:14:47] Speaker B: You say keynote as well. [01:14:48] Speaker A: I did, I think I did say keynote. Okay, thank you. But if I didn't. Yeah, Garage. Yeah, Garage band. Garage band. [01:14:57] Speaker B: Garage band. [01:14:58] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, but. And actually one of the maybe even better things is a male client because actually female client. Jay, let's not gender an email program, shall we? Okay. Like you of all people. [01:15:15] Speaker B: Well, I mean, but an email is made out of binary letters, so. So there's not yet a non binary email client. [01:15:26] Speaker A: That's a clip. But remember for the longest time. Right. And I think the Mac had better Exchange support out the box than Windows did. Microsoft's own operating system could not support exchange out the box. [01:15:41] Speaker C: The included apps are very good. [01:15:44] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just, you know. Yes. They're not going to hold a candle to maybe to Microsoft Office for professional use. The Mac platform is maybe for me one of the best value, maybe one of the easiest to use platforms out there. Yes. The hardware is. Look, let's just be honest. Apple don't do cheap laptops. No, but do you want a cheap laptop? I mean, look at the garbage. And I mean garbage, but plastic garbage. That HP and Dell and you know, all the other makers. [01:16:18] Speaker B: The only one that I don't think as garbage is Lenovo because I've got, I've got a ThinkPad and that thing is a beast. [01:16:25] Speaker A: You're right. Except you're talking in the business line of good. I'm talking virtue of all the. Yes, the business. I mean, yeah, for most of you, like Dell's XPS range is really nice, but when you're talking the cheaper plus I'm going to call them the plastic laptops, I think for the money that you would end up having to spend in a couple of years to replace it because it's cracked, it's failed. Your better value is one of a new one of the M2 MacBooks. But even then, let's be honest, a refurbed M1 MacBook Air is still a fantastic machine right now. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Well, and not to, not to like Tangent, but just the benefits of the ecosystem. For instance, the universal control between iPad and Mac. In fact, I can access my iPhone through my Mac continuity camera. I've upgraded to using continuity camera and I didn't even realize that continuity camera does leveling. And I've even been noticing it's when I'm looking at my monitor because my magsafe, I've got a little magsafe for the thing top of my monitor. It's making my eyes look like I'm actually looking at the camera. Even though I'm looking down because if you. [01:17:46] Speaker A: I hadn't even thought about that, actually. Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker B: Because it has to be. If it has to be on your monitor or like right by it and it makes it. They do something. They do something. It's part of. It's part of s. But they. But they do some stuff with. With the camera. Make it look like you're looking at the. [01:18:02] Speaker A: I remember them talking about that. Yeah, it's part of. That's really clever because you're using continuity camera right now, aren't you, Alex? [01:18:09] Speaker C: I think. I think all three of us are we. [01:18:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we are. Yeah. [01:18:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:11] Speaker A: Well, Jay is so that trans. Yeah. I mean, look, it is brilliant because it's really. But that transitions into something that we need to talk to you about, folks, because you might have noticed that we disappeared from the Internet for about. Well, one of us did. I was still around. It's a bit. So I'm just going to issue a little bit of a content warning. We are. Not that it's a bad thing, but just for those who may not want to. May want to skip this bit. If it depends your mindset, we're going to talk a little bit about mental health because, Jay, you probably want to share something with everyone a little bit. [01:18:48] Speaker B: So I wanted to take my life and I saw professional help over it because it got really bad and it's hard to. It's so hard to talk about. But I. I had to see. I had to seek professional help and I was. I was in inpatient services for a while and I'm currently now going through outpatient for. For right now, we are doing a huge push to raise money for a mental health charity called To Write Love on Our Arms. The written organization that raises awareness as well as provides a hotline and also provides funding for treatment programs. So two pushes. If you're out there and you are wondering what if you're struggling and you need help, our Twitch channels are there. Our discord's there for you. Hang out. But also Crosswires.net hotlines will get you to a hotline in your country and it'll find one that's local to you. Please, please seek help. Because I'm glad I did because otherwise I would not be here today. And it. It was that bad. And the other thing is, we are raising money for. To write load on our arms. We're trying to raise. No, we will raise a thousand dollars. [01:20:09] Speaker A: Yep. [01:20:09] Speaker B: If you go to crossfires.net charity, the money goes directly to the organization. We are just Using Twitch's charity program to. To. [01:20:20] Speaker C: To facilitate. [01:20:21] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. So that way the money goes directly to them. But yeah, Crosswires.net charity even if it's just $1. $5, anything that you're. If you're in the position to give, you can literally save lives. You can save lives like mine, because people who donated to the organizations that I reach out to saved my life. And again, Crosswires.net charity even just $1 can save a life. Thank you for letting me have the space to share. [01:20:54] Speaker A: Absolutely. And I mean, I can say I've obviously struggled with mental health. Alex, I don't know how much you feel comfortable, but I think. I think. Is it fair to say everyone has struggled? Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:21:05] Speaker C: I think it's difficult. Yeah. [01:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah. But I'm re. Can I just say, Jay, I'm really glad you're still here. I'm proud to have you as my business partner and my. My fiance. But you know what? That wraps up this wonderful chat and I. I'm really glad we got to. To hang out tonight. Alex, as always, your. Do you know, I can I say, I want to say this like I've been so, so glad to see from your first. And I hope you don't take this away, your first ever episode on this show where I don't think you were necessarily as comfortable as maybe you wanted to be. [01:21:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:44] Speaker A: How far you've come now, I know if I. [01:21:47] Speaker C: So that was. When was that? That was last. [01:21:51] Speaker A: No. 2022. [01:21:52] Speaker C: Okay. So that is around the time I started doing YouTube videos. And yeah, I look back at stuff I filmed for Hostify back then and think. And even my first podcast with Cody from that same year was a bit so. [01:22:05] Speaker A: Oh, creative spotlight. Yeah. [01:22:07] Speaker C: And I look back at stuff I've done this year and it's. [01:22:09] Speaker A: It's huge. [01:22:10] Speaker C: It comes with practice speaking on camera. [01:22:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So definitely. [01:22:14] Speaker C: Yeah. It's good fun. Always. Good, good. [01:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Alex, where can people find your fantastic content? [01:22:20] Speaker C: There's a large amount of interests in all different aspects of anything. So there's the interface.uk for regular technology news, I guess, and automotive news. Less Apple stuff than usual, but there's a lot more, a lot of stuff on there for everyone. And I do car reviews on YouTube, but also UI chat podcast for if you're. If you're into technology stuff, you're probably. What you're probably listening or watching to this. So that's a ubiquity podcast. We discuss all things. Networking stuff, me and Evan. Evan's a proper Networking professional. So it's always good if you ever. [01:22:53] Speaker A: Need to compare access points. [01:22:54] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:56] Speaker C: Yeah, he's compared everything, so. [01:22:59] Speaker A: Oh, thank you. Yeah, no, no, my pleasure. Just a little plug. Obviously love UI chat. But your most. Maybe not your most recent. Was it your most recent? We had Chris Sherwood from Crosstalk Solutions. [01:23:10] Speaker C: Yeah, that was last. It was September and we've got Cody on in December, which I'm. He's really looking forward to. It's really, really good. So. [01:23:18] Speaker A: Yeah, that's good. Yeah, Cody McCallum is. [01:23:20] Speaker C: We. [01:23:21] Speaker A: We've had Cody on the show a long time ago. Great guy. [01:23:23] Speaker C: He's awesome. [01:23:24] Speaker A: Great. Mean. He's Canadian, so what do you expect? Anyway, look, we are doing some, some housekeeping around here as well. We, we really should do an episode of this, but with all the WordPress drama that's been going on over the last couple of months, we are going to be moving our website. We. So don't panic. We'll make sure everything is handled properly. We've got some really. Jay's been making sure that our old links will work. She's literally, I think in December. She's good. Tie my hands, twist my arm around my back until I actually set up a server to make this possible. But we are going to be moving. But podcast episodes. You can always find me now@podcast crosswise.net which is powered by Kastos. Until next time, we will roll that out. Thanks for listening to this episode of Crosswires. We hope you've enjoyed our discussion and we'd love to hear your thoughts. So please drop us a Note over to podcastrosswires.net why not come and join our Discord community over at Crosswires.net forward/discord. We've got lots of text channels, we've even got voice channels, and we've got forum posts for every episode that we put out there. If you are Mastodon, you can also follow us either by heading over to Wires Social or just follow Crossed Wires Social. [01:24:45] Speaker B: If you'd like to check out more of our content, head on over to crossed wires.net YouTube for all our videos and keep an eye on our twitch channel@crossedwires.net live for our upcoming streams. [01:24:57] Speaker A: If you like what you heard, please do drop a review in your podcast directory of choice. It really does help spread the word about the show. [01:25:04] Speaker B: And of course, if you can spare even the smallest amount of financial support support, we'd be incredibly grateful. You can Support us at ko fi.comCrossedWires that is K o-fi.comCrossedWires until next time. [01:25:19] Speaker A: Thanks for listening. It.
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